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The Rev. Steve Kern disputes dino diets


Steve Kern August 17th, 2011

Regarding “Reclamation project” in the Aug. 10 Gazette:

Did the article say there were at least 1,600 people there on Friday evening? One of my good friends and fellow young Earth creationists, Tom Sharp, was a featured speaker. All those people came to hear a good deal of evidence to support our view.

I wonder if Gazette letter writers Mack Paul (“If Kern needs convincing,” Aug. 10) or David Grow (“Kern is wrong,” July 27) were there to consider any other arguments than their own.

I guess Mr. Paul is convinced that velociraptors and T. rex had to have been predatory, bloodthirsty carnivores because “Jurassic Park” presented that popular evolutionistic line of thinking. When it comes down to it, how do we know much of anything about the dinosaurs and what their true eating habits were that goes beyond speculation based on bare-bones fossil remains?

I read one time where chlorophyll residue was found in a T. rex tooth, and by the way, their teeth have ridges on the side that would be very helpful in stripping leaves off of tree limbs for food.

If I am not mistaken, there are several reptilian lizards that eat leaves and fruit rather than meat. When it comes to the raptor’s big, clawlike toe, there are a lot of animals that have huge claws that are used for digging roots and things like beets and potatoes out of the ground rather than using them for tearing some animal’s guts out. There is always more than one way to speculate on limited visible evidence like fossil bones.

Oh yes, Mr. Mack is probably not aware that Jesus referred to the early chapters of Genesis more than any other Old Testament sections of Scripture. He saw that information as historical and critical to understanding the fact that he is the creator introduced in the Genesis account. They actually go hand in hand when it comes to understanding who Jesus is and why he came.

—Steve Kern
Oklahoma City

Kern, husband of state Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, is pastor of Olivet Baptist Church and adjunct professor at Mid-America Christian University.

 
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08.17.2011 at 07:50 Reply

Steve, I'd bet you that if I held a rally with the sole intent to berate you, I'd get a hell of a lot more than 1,600 people to show up.  But I'm not really shallow enough to put that kind of effort into making you feel stupid, not to mention that wouldn't be very Christian of me.  You on the other hand...  You really try to go out of your way to make these efforts.  I wonder if Christ would have been so condescending.

You seem to conveniently ignore that statistically speaking you’ll always find someone who is willing to agree with you.  And the fact that you found 1,600 people who agree with you out of about a million people in and around the metro is pretty sad.  If I whipped 1 million strands of wet spaghetti against a wall, I'm pretty sure I could get a better percentage to stick than the 0016% that swarmed your totally unbiased meeting (sarcasm).  Oh, that leads me to a question, why is it wrong if there is an (alleged) liberal bias, but if the pendulum swung in your favor you wouldn't do anything to correct that bias?  Don't answer that, it's rhetorical and moot since it appears your don't waste time reading or responding to legitimate questions that libs ask on the internet.  If you care to have a legitimate argument, you should bring your most educated supporters and the most educated detractors and allow them to have an unbiased moderated debate.  But clearly you are only interested in showing your side of the story.  You’re like the FOX News or MSNBC of Biblical interpretation.  I can’t be the only person who sees what’s wrong with that.

By the way, I lowballed the metro's population, so actually your attendance numbers are a lot worse than I have indicated.

Since I'm getting such a lesson on dinosaurs from someone with a degree in Paleontology (sarcasm implied), I don't suppose you'd care to weigh in on references in the Bible that can be interpreted as UFO's?  What's that?  There aren't any UFO's in the Bible?  Isn't it amazing what you can read into that text if you choose to?  

http://www.google.com/search?aq=0&oq=UFO's in the &sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=ufo's in the bible

You see what I did there?

The ball is in your court Rev.  You gonna hit it back or do what you always do and ignore the multitudes of comments directed at you in these comment sections?

And to be entirely fair to you Steve, I personally don't care if anyone believes Dinosaurs lived during Biblical times.  Just teach your kids whatever you want to teach them.  Homeschool them if you have to, I honestly don't care.  What concerned me more than anything is how "Reclamation Project" seemed to have more with spewing hatred for homosexuals and using the pulpit as a platform for violating tax laws by preaching who to vote for.  Read Romans 13, and while your at it, Matthew 22:21, and John 18:36.

I might be a deist, but I echo what Gandhi said, “I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians, your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”  Do you ever take stock of the things you do that are contradictory to the actual words of Christ?

 

08.17.2011 at 08:07 Reply

Steve, do you have any faith in Carbon Dating?  It's good enough for the Shroud of Turin, but not Dinosaur bones?

 

08.17.2011 at 10:53

omgbear, you cannot carbon date non-avian dinosars via carbon dating.   It is not a technological limitation, but rather something that is utterly impossible.  All the carbon-14 in its remains would have decayed millions of years ago.  (Proof: The youngest non-avian dinosaurs are 63,000,000 years old.  The half life of C-14 is 5730.  That means over 10,000 half lives.  The fraction of carbon-14 that would have survived would be 1/2^10,000.  2^10,000 is greater than the number of atoms in the observable universe and indeed overflows my calculator.)


In practice, radiocarbon is limited to a 100,000 years or so. 

(There are multiple independent techiques that can date a dinosaur-aged rocks though. )

 

08.18.2011 at 09:44

Michael, I sincerely appreciate that there is someone chiming in here who seems to grasp the science.  While my understanding is limited, it is not limited by pre-existing notions, and unlike Steve, I am always interested in learning more about that which I don't understand.

Given how far back we can actually carbon date things, wouldn't that be plenty to disprove the young earth theories that Steve endorses?  Moreover, wouldn't the fact that dinosaur bones exist outside of a time frame that can be carbon dated prove that man never shared the same space as dinosaurs?  Unless of course, we have recovered human bones which also stretch beyond the limits of carbon dating.  In which case that would also call Steve's theories into question.

 

 
 
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